Plateau vs Consistency

Yes, that is! By far, my main improvement after solving lots of puzzles has been spotting nasty tactics against me, I still suck when having to find my winning moves.

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@OctoPinky said in #11:

Yes, that is! By far, my main improvement after solving lots of puzzles has been spotting nasty tactics against me, I still suck when having to find my winning moves.

One thing about finding winning moves is that they are not always...

One move
A tactic

Often a winning move is actually a series of moves that wins -- this is called "Technique." So, just considering the comment you made, my guess is that you might need to work on your technique.

@OctoPinky said in #11: > Yes, that is! By far, my main improvement after solving lots of puzzles has been spotting nasty tactics against me, I still suck when having to find my winning moves. One thing about finding winning moves is that they are not always... 1. One move 2. A tactic Often a winning move is actually a series of moves that wins -- this is called "Technique." So, just considering the comment you made, my guess is that you might need to work on your technique.

dboing

I jumped to the "hidden" error paragraph (I have hard time reading a presentation flow as it comes).
I like the journey into various angles of thinking. but just chess SAN constrained, but the psychological logic above as well.

I jumped to the "hidden" error paragraph (I have hard time reading a presentation flow as it comes). I like the journey into various angles of thinking. but just chess SAN constrained, but the psychological logic above as well.

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@dboing said in #13:

I jumped to the "hidden" error paragraph (I have hard time reading a presentation flow as it comes).
I like the journey into various angles of thinking. but just chess SAN constrained, but the psychological logic above as well.

Headers are useful for people who don't necessarily wish to read something in order. It is always written in a specific order on purpose, but I jump around in articles, too, so I understand that.

@dboing said in #13: > I jumped to the "hidden" error paragraph (I have hard time reading a presentation flow as it comes). > I like the journey into various angles of thinking. but just chess SAN constrained, but the psychological logic above as well. Headers are useful for people who don't necessarily wish to read something in order. It is always written in a specific order on purpose, but I jump around in articles, too, so I understand that.

dboing

Headers save me a lot of unsustainable attention skips.....

OctoPinky

@RyanVelez said in #12:

Often a winning move is actually a series of moves that wins -- this is called "Technique." So, just considering the comment you made, my guess is that you might need to work on your technique.

Yes, I wrote "moves" knowing they are usually several moves that convert the position e. g. from "advantage" to "winning"... Maybe it is just my feeling, but I find this to be way harder than getting a correct opening (I usually reach move 10-12 in decent shape, even against stronger players) or spotting moderately complex tactics.

@RyanVelez said in #12: > Often a winning move is actually a series of moves that wins -- this is called "Technique." So, just considering the comment you made, my guess is that you might need to work on your technique. Yes, I wrote "moves" knowing they are usually several moves that convert the position e. g. from "advantage" to "winning"... Maybe it is just my feeling, but I find this to be way harder than getting a correct opening (I usually reach move 10-12 in decent shape, even against stronger players) or spotting moderately complex tactics.

dboing

we just need to find out what pattern means..... so techinique is in the eyes of the already learned. before internalization it is not techinque yet.

isn't technique a word for dynamic pattern? something part of a self-aware learning program based on pattern to identify. pairs of pattern static patterns and dynamic patterns and methods to achieve plan goal patterns. all among many patterns. we just need to find out what pattern means..... so techinique is in the eyes of the already learned. before internalization it is not techinque yet.

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@OctoPinky said in #16:

Yes, I wrote "moves" knowing they are usually several moves that convert the position e. g. from "advantage" to "winning"... Maybe it is just my feeling, but I find this to be way harder than getting a correct opening (I usually reach move 10-12 in decent shape, even against stronger players) or spotting moderately complex tactics.

Yea, every player in the world has different skill gaps. You might be really good at the opening compared to me, for example. I have never been known as an opening's player.

@OctoPinky said in #16: > Yes, I wrote "moves" knowing they are usually several moves that convert the position e. g. from "advantage" to "winning"... Maybe it is just my feeling, but I find this to be way harder than getting a correct opening (I usually reach move 10-12 in decent shape, even against stronger players) or spotting moderately complex tactics. Yea, every player in the world has different skill gaps. You might be really good at the opening compared to me, for example. I have never been known as an opening's player.

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Technique, in chess, is your ability to convert a position into its evaluation. For example, if a position is a certain win, then technique is how you get there.

When it comes to things like a K+Q checkmate, the checkmate is a simple pattern that can be memorized. However, when it comes to something like RB+2 vs NB+1 there is not going to be a specific pattern to win, and you need to have good technique.

Technique also often means recognizing when you need to

Waste a move
Play a finesse move
Break a rule
Know a rare exception to a rule
etc...

Technique, in chess, is your ability to convert a position into its evaluation. For example, if a position is a certain win, then technique is how you get there. When it comes to things like a K+Q checkmate, the checkmate is a simple pattern that can be memorized. However, when it comes to something like RB+2 vs NB+1 there is not going to be a specific pattern to win, and you need to have good technique. Technique also often means recognizing when you need to 1. Waste a move 2. Play a finesse move 3. Break a rule 4. Know a rare exception to a rule etc...

OctoPinky

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@RyanVelez said in #19:

However, when it comes to something like RB+2 vs NB+1 there is not going to be a specific pattern to win, and you need to have good technique.

I think "technique" refers to the realm between "mechanical" and "imagination", the variable area where you can apply mechanical ideas but only after doing some analysis. "Variable" in the sense that it depends on your knowledge of typical positions, patterns, etc...

If you know the mechanics of pawn endgames, "technique" would apply where you still have to be aware of possible mistakes, but not in the case of just a pawn promoting by mere arithmetics (opponent's King outside of the box, etc.).

Interestingly, Greek "τέχνη" is literally "art" or "skill", rather than the almost "mechanical" meaning often implied in our use of the word (at least in Spanish).

@RyanVelez said in #19: > However, when it comes to something like RB+2 vs NB+1 there is not going to be a specific pattern to win, and you need to have good technique. I think "technique" refers to the realm between "mechanical" and "imagination", the variable area where you can apply mechanical ideas but only after doing some analysis. "Variable" in the sense that it depends on your knowledge of typical positions, patterns, etc... If you know the mechanics of pawn endgames, "technique" would apply where you still have to be aware of possible mistakes, but not in the case of just a pawn promoting by mere arithmetics (opponent's King outside of the box, etc.). Interestingly, Greek "τέχνη" is literally "art" or "skill", rather than the almost "mechanical" meaning often implied in our use of the word (at least in Spanish).