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Looks nice. You might be interested in the LiChess Tools feature that adds evaluation to the Explorer moves from several sources: ChessDb, Lichess eval API, local computer eval and even winning stats (https://siderite.dev/blog/lichess-tools---user-manual/#explorerEval)

Looks nice. You might be interested in the LiChess Tools feature that adds evaluation to the Explorer moves from several sources: ChessDb, Lichess eval API, local computer eval and even winning stats (https://siderite.dev/blog/lichess-tools---user-manual/#explorerEval)

Phase 1 or Phase 2 sounds like a flashy idea, but it absolutely makes no sense. Engine already evaluates the top moves while analysing the initial position and it's already pretty strong.

Phase 1 or Phase 2 sounds like a flashy idea, but it absolutely makes no sense. Engine already evaluates the top moves while analysing the initial position and it's already pretty strong.

@heroku said in #3:

Phase 1 or Phase 2 sounds like a flashy idea, but it absolutely makes no sense. Engine already evaluates the top moves while analysing the initial position and it's already pretty strong.

The problem is that the engine won't give you evaluations of these other moves so you won't get these evaluations. You only get the top move(s). That's why two phases are needed. If you know another way, I'm all open to it :)

@TotalNoob69: Thanks, I'll check it out.

@heroku said in #3: > Phase 1 or Phase 2 sounds like a flashy idea, but it absolutely makes no sense. Engine already evaluates the top moves while analysing the initial position and it's already pretty strong. The problem is that the engine won't give you evaluations of these other moves so you won't get these evaluations. You only get the top move(s). That's why two phases are needed. If you know another way, I'm all open to it :) @TotalNoob69: Thanks, I'll check it out.

An opening tree visualization like https://github.com/Destaq/chess-graph (from one's own games) may have some practical applications too.

An opening tree visualization like https://github.com/Destaq/chess-graph (from one's own games) may have some practical applications too.

@Toadofsky said in #5:

An opening tree visualization like github.com/Destaq/chess-graph (from one's own games) may have some practical applications too.

Thanks for the link! That is a cool visualization of openings. Is it just nice to look at though, or does it really help in understanding openings?

@Toadofsky said in #5: > An opening tree visualization like github.com/Destaq/chess-graph (from one's own games) may have some practical applications too. Thanks for the link! That is a cool visualization of openings. Is it just nice to look at though, or does it really help in understanding openings?

@Toadofsky said in #5:

An opening tree visualization like github.com/Destaq/chess-graph (from one's own games) may have some practical applications too.

Looks interesting until you realize that you have to download all your games and feed it into that to see anything useful. If we were to use the Explorer API to get the information in depth, it would overwhelm the API and take a long time. This can only realistically be done on the server, with a huge game database like Lichess behind.

@Toadofsky said in #5: > An opening tree visualization like github.com/Destaq/chess-graph (from one's own games) may have some practical applications too. Looks interesting until you realize that you have to download all your games and feed it into that to see anything useful. If we were to use the Explorer API to get the information in depth, it would overwhelm the API and take a long time. This can only realistically be done on the server, with a huge game database like Lichess behind.

@TotalNoob69 said in #7:

Looks interesting until you realize that you have to download all your games and feed it into that to see anything useful. If we were to use the Explorer API to get the information in depth, it would overwhelm the API and take a long time. This can only realistically be done on the server, with a huge game database like Lichess behind.

You are taking to the right guy, I have a database with millions of games :)

@TotalNoob69 said in #7: > Looks interesting until you realize that you have to download all your games and feed it into that to see anything useful. If we were to use the Explorer API to get the information in depth, it would overwhelm the API and take a long time. This can only realistically be done on the server, with a huge game database like Lichess behind. You are taking to the right guy, I have a database with millions of games :)

@ChessMonitor_Stats said in #6:

Thanks for the link! That is a cool visualization of openings. Is it just nice to look at though, or does it really help in understanding openings?

Honestly, on and off I'd been considering adding a sunburst graph command to my Discord bot (moreso for Lishogi than for Lichess since I'm more interested in shogi) but I haven't gotten around to it and perhaps https://lichess.org/insights/Toadofsky/acpl/openingFamily already solves my use case for "what openings do I need to study". So I'm being wishy-washy on this since although as a chess expert I suspect other players could find it useful, I don't actually know whether other people have the same problems I have (inability to easily keep track of opening knowledge gaps).

@ChessMonitor_Stats said in #6: > Thanks for the link! That is a cool visualization of openings. Is it just nice to look at though, or does it really help in understanding openings? Honestly, on and off I'd been considering adding a sunburst graph command to my Discord bot (moreso for Lishogi than for Lichess since I'm more interested in shogi) but I haven't gotten around to it and perhaps https://lichess.org/insights/Toadofsky/acpl/openingFamily already solves my use case for "what openings do I need to study". So I'm being wishy-washy on this since although as a chess expert I suspect other players could find it useful, I don't actually know whether other people have the same problems I have (inability to easily keep track of opening knowledge gaps).

@Toadofsky said in #9:
I don't actually know whether other people have the same problems I have (inability to easily keep track of opening knowledge gaps).

I don't have this problem. I have only one gap, and it covers everything, so it's easy to track.

@Toadofsky said in #9: I don't actually know whether other people have the same problems I have (inability to easily keep track of opening knowledge gaps). I don't have this problem. I have only one gap, and it covers everything, so it's easy to track.